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good morning. i'm chris jansing. the president is planning to take matters into his own hands when it comes to gun control. he will look at 19 possible executive actions he could take, something he hinted at yesterday. >> i'm confidence that there are some steps we can take that don't require legislation and that are within my authority as president and where you get a step that has the opportunity to reduce the possibility of gun violence that i want to go ahead and take it. >> "new york times" reports that those include new limits on guns imported from overseas, making federal agencies share mental health records, and asking the cdc to conduct research on gun violence. at the same time new york's governor andrew cuomo announced
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last night his state is proposed to -- including a new assault weapons ban limited access to gu guns, and tougher punishments for people who bring guns near schools. >> i think government should sponged at the time. we all know we don't need another tragedy to point out the problems in the system. >> he wasn't the first person we heard that from yesterday. for the first time we heard powerful stories from the victims' families who have come together to make what's called the sandy hook promise, encouraging common-sense solutions to prevent another tragedy. rachel maddow talked to a couple. >> this is tough, but he said you promised you would protect us. >> yeah. >> and i did promise him that.
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>> sure. >> so what do i say to him? i can't change what happened. i know it wasn't our fault, we just sent him to school. >> i want to bring in "new york times" columnist nicksh and good morning to both of you. as the white house considers they actions, you already have a texas congressman saying -- i'm going to quote him here -- i will seek to thwart this action by any means necessary including by not definding the white house, even filing articles of impeachment. nick, does this give us a glimpse into what this fight could look like? >> this is going to be a huge battle. i think it's good that the president is not just focusing on assault weapons. i was afraid we would see a repeat of the 1990s where there was a huge focus just on the
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assault weapons. it didn't accomplish many at the end of the day. going for universal background checks, and improving that system is the single thing that will do the most, and that does indeed seem to be where the president is going. >> of course the opponents think this is a slippery slope, whatever happens, they're going to take my guns away, and clearly congressman stockman is not alone. listen to what paul rand had to say. >> i'm against having a king. i think having a monarch is what we fought the revolution over, and someone who wants to bypass the constitution, bypass congress, that's someone who wants to act like a king or monarch. >> in the end he's not worried about getting reelected, but i think there is a question that some are concerned about. that is by thinking about and talking about executive actions, is he going to tick off enough republicans, and then they're not going to give him what he
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wants legislatively. >> i agree with nick, i think it will be a long fight, very contentious fight, but i think the clip you played illuminates something very important, which is a lot of -- you know, we have this idea that we have this history of libertarian, you know, we love our guns sort of situation here in this country, but in the 19th century we had much stricter gun -- in the first half of the 20th century, in places like texas, in the midwest, in many parts of america, so this history we like to tell ourselves about guns is actually untrue. when i think people start to realize that, maybe we can shift the lens on this debate. >> some people have shifted that iropinions. 52% more lickly to support more gun control. us pew says background checks.
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50% favor a park on semiautomatic weapons. i wonder, again, when he starts to prioritize, how the president will approach this. >> i grew up in a gun culture. i grew up on a farm in oregon, bristling with guns. my dad gave me a 22 when i turned 12. so i come from that world, it usually doesn't happen in manhattan, but nobody goes deer hunting with an ar-15, you don't do that. i think there is indeed some hope, even in -- you know, people who come from that world and they're comfortable with guns, to realize the total at this point, 30,000 deaths a year, almost 12,000 homicides and 18,000 sue sides with gun far out of pace with a world that, you know, the only way to make some headway on this is to begin to engage in regulation.
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i mean, we have cars all over. we regulate cars to make them more safely. >> and the numbers you're talking about, too, is so striking. >> numbers compare to like third world countries in terms of ownership. >> yemen, i was just going to say we have 88 guns for every 100 people, yemen is the next country. >> we also have breaking news. chuck schumer, the senator from new york, seen as key to chuck hagel becoming secretary has confirmed he will support the former nebraska senator, despite some controversial comments in the past on israel, iran and the jewish lobby. many people consider chuck schumer's support as absolutely critical, that he couldn't probably get confirmed if he did not have chuck schumer's support. let mess bring in lo receipta
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sanchez how significant do you believe this decision is. >> chuck schumer is a very bright guy, and i think it's a very good coupe for umer senator hagel to get his endorsements. honestly, unless you really want to gum up the senate, i see the former senator being confirmed. >> let me go back to guns now. i'm sure you'd heard the discussions by now, concern by some that the president may be overreaching? >> it will be interesting i think the whole shy has to not only be approached by the congress, but the sharing of information. so how he does it, what laws exist that allow or don't allow
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it will be interesting. but i remember when patrick kennedy was for years trying to get parity. on the other issues, i think this issue of large magazine of bullets will be an interesting one for the congress to approach, but one the house of representatives, i just don't believe we're going to find the votes to make legislation that i think should happen, like the magazines world, for example. we've seen that minds have been changed in the country, the polls i just showed you, because -- you don't watch that news conference and not be moved, and not think what a common-sense approach they have to want to find common ground, but i guess when you realize that congress didn't get anything done as one of their own was shot, of course, gabby giffords, you wonder how much progress can be made. it sounds like you're pessimistic about what could be accomplished. >> i was talking to one of the
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republican women this morning. i asked her, you know, what's going on on your side, she says, i don't think we lose a single vote. i know that at least on the democratic side there will be some who will vote against passing an assault weapons ban, so i thinking it be much more difficult than people realize. and remember a lot of people who come from more comfortable issues with guns be it texas or the south or the midwest, what have you, they come from pretty dominant -- they have easy races. so they probably aren't worried about saying, hey, this is part of what we do and we're not willing to budge.
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i know, as the economy has gone down there's been more homicides in the area where i live and i see it happening in more places. the president talked forcefully he will not negotiate about the debt ceiling. let me play what one of your republican colleagues told me about that yesterday. >> would you be willing if you don't get the cuts that you think are necessary, would you be willing to go into default or shut down the government? >> i think there is a way to avoid default, if it requires shutting down certain portions of the government, let's like at that. >> are you worried about a shutdown or worse, are you worried about default? >> i'm worried about both. default is like saying i ran up my credit card and now i'm not going to pay you it's going to be bad for the united states. i think we need to pay our
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xwils. that's the first thing. with respect to shutting down the government so we save money. we know anytime we shut down the government, we actually spend more money in the long run. i do believe we need or national parks or rangers there. i do believe that it is important for us to ramp up our transportation to fill those potholes, to make those connectors, to give money to am track to have that northeast corridor run, puck. i think they're very strong in this. i think there are plenty people on the republican side of the house in particular who have no fear about shutten down the government. i would warn them, it didn't work when newt gingrich was in place in '93 and '94, and i think americans have to look at how this will hurt us's a nation. it will hurt us across the board, mortgages, personal interest rates, cried cards, on
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everything. >> congressman maman loretta s thank you very much. let me play for you what he just had to say. >> in the end it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow the united states to not pay its bills. republicans have too much arenas in which to fight over spending. they have a continuing resolution which funds government which comes up again in march and they have the sequester, which automatically cuts spending unless it's dealt with. >> will they listen to him? >> well, i think we had -- essentially we're coming up to the fiscal raps. and.debt limit, one way or another we're going to capsize.
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>> no way we gus think all three of those? >> i don't think we'll come around unscathed if. the growth will be lower because of these political shenanigans, when in fact the underlying economy is improving. we're capsizing our -- >> can i say shenanigans is an underused words and probably one of the nicer things you can say. >> could be the word of the year this year, i'm afraid. >> thank you so much f. ron and nick. then there were four, number of members of the cabinet who have not said whether they will stay on for another term. that's four possible nominees for president obama to answer critics who say there's a lack of diversity in the second-term choices. >> i'm very proud that in the
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display with the detroit auto show. the fort atlas concept. joining me from the auto show is ford's president and ceo alan mullally. good to see you. >> hi, chris. how are you? >> i'm well. the f15 has been the best-selling vehicle for 31 straight years. tell us about this new concept pickup? >> well, this is the next generati generation, as you know 36 years it's been the preferred full-size pickup as the backbone of the economy and economic development. and what we're showcasing, especially improvement in all the capability, but also the fuel efficiency and the safety features, plus all of the smart features like sync. so it's an excite i day for us to show the future direction of ford. >> it's amazing how much the economy has changed.
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so let me ask you what's going on in washington with ought growing talks. let me play what president obama said about that. >> markets could go haywire, interest rates would spike for anybody who borrows money. every homeowner with a mortgage, every student with a college loan, every small business owner who wants to grow and hire. >> if we default, what would be the impact on your industry and the u.s. economy as a whole. >> well, i think it would be clearly a very significant impact. the important thing i think about this discussion is when we're looking at it in a more holistic fashion, what are we going to do to reduce the budget deficits and also deal with the trade deficits, but even more importantly, what do we do to create an environment where businesses can grow and we can expand economic development? because this is still a very,
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very fragile expansion, though it is a expansion from probably the deepest recession we've ever been in wince the depression. a lot of pent-up demand, so i think this debate is centered on the right thing, what do we do to create an environment where businesses can grow. >> if we need and if republicans argue that what needs to be done is to cut the deficit, they need to perhaps go into default, are you okay with that? ivities illustrates well again i think we need to look at that time it through the lens of economy development. anything to slow this expansion down would have very, very serious consequences to all of us. >> let me ask you about your announcement last week. you were going to hire engineers, computer programmers. last year you announced to add 12,000 jobs by 2015. given everything that's going
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on, how confident are you that you'll still be able to meet that goal? >> well, i think that's absolutely our plan now, based on the strength of our products and the fuel efficiency, the quality, the safety that we have now -- we are now growing. we've hired 8,100 people last year. great jobs and great careers. as you pointed out, our plan is to expand the production even further to meet the demand and we're going to be hiring another 2,200 employees. so again this is based on an economic expansion of between 2% to 2.5% in the united states and in around a 2.5% expansion worldwide. that's where it starzz and that's why it's so important to look through the lens of further expanding our economic development. >> ford kreismt oeismt alan mullally, good to have you on the program, sir. thank you. >> thank you, thank you very
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as president obama ramps up pressure on congressional republicans to raise the debt ceiling, he's not offering any backup plan, at least not publicly. >> but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well being of the american people is not leverage
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to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. >> so what are his options if congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling? "the washington post" "the fix" lists three reasons why the president wouldn't show his hand. joining me now political analyst and former communication director karen finney, and columnist for "the hill" as well, and analyst and former rnc chairman might beal steele. good morning. >> good morning. when things broke down with harry reid, the white house stepped in with the vice president to broker a deal. what's going on here, karen? is the president playing a game of chicken? will the white house change its mind? or is this truly a line in the sand? >> i think it's a real line in
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the sand. the president has been very consistent and serious from the beginning on this. i think there's a couple of goals. congress can't have it both ways. you have to act responsibly and pay your bills. that's part of why i think the president said if you want me to be in charge, fine, i'll take care of it, but that's not how our government is set up. so i think clearly the president is not going to back back down. the last time we had a shutdown, there's not shut down a piece over here or there. when you shut it down, there are very serious consequences for the american people very immediately when you do that. >> among the things we talked about, the bipartisan policy center also says that the debt ceiling standoff at 2011 cost taxpayers $19 billion in extra interest payments so far, and we didn't even default. so what's the strategy for
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republicans? why get into this fight? >> well, you know, everybody talks about the fiscal cliff. this is really about fiscal incompetent. as karen has pointed out your options are limited. the president i believe, quite frankly, is playing a bit of chicken, not so much as a strong line in the sand as it is, okay, i'm going to call your bluff for a point. he'll have to capitulate at some point on the spending side of the equation. he knows that. similarly, republicans are likewise with their back up against the wall the idea you would let the country go into fault knowing that the ramifications -- forget the political. at that point it's not about politics, it's about everyday people paying their bills, about banks closing, so this is a part of the reality that the white house has to deal with. the idea of finger pointing,
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people don't have time for that. get net room and solve the problem. >> mike, i'm going to push back a bit, not surprising, part of the reason is this is not about leverage. he bakley said i'm not having this conversation. congress has to do its job. that means it has to pay the bill. the position i think the president was clear, for weeks i think he's been very clear, this is not a game i'm willing to engage in. if you want to engage on this own, congress, that's your choice, but who is left playing games? >> i think we all know the clock is ticking. tim geithner sent a letter to congressionally leaders say the government will exhaust its borrowing limit anywhere from mid-february to early march, which is earlier than expected, so how does this play out now? >> the fact of the matter is the president can say all day long he's not going to negotiate over the debt ceiling. if he believes that, he's sniffing the ozone.
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the reality is he has to. he has to come to the table and put something on the table to deal with the other side of just increasing the ability for the government to spend money. he's going to have to talk about the cutting side of this equation. that's the reality for the white house. the reality for the congress is they're going to have to talk about this in the context of revenue, and moving forward, not just on the debt side, but also on the everyday aspects of the social programs. >> michael, you think republicans win on a message that says we're just not going to pay our bills? screw it, we're going to one up our credit cards and we're not going to responsibly come to the table and talk about how we go forward more responsibly. >> we are so far beyond messages. >> it's not a message, it's a fact, we have already spent the money. >> the fact is the president will have to deal. he can't sit in the white house and go woe is me. >> that's not what he's been doing at all.
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>> he has to put something on the table and it's about time he did. >> karen finney, michael steele, very lively conversation, and one that's going to continue, because, again, the clock really is ticking. thank you both. >> take care. chelsea clinton toll today's so matt lauer ha her mom is doing great. she was being treated for a blood clot. >> i'm sure you've seen the footage of her at the state department. she's exuding the energy, the vibrancy, and certainly the mental acuity that she has had. i am so grateful that she is not only fine, but healthy and vie brandt and strong. >> this is the first time chelsea clinton has spoken about her mother's health publicly. a new autopsy report from the l.a. county coroner's office. it finds that natalie wood sustained bruising prior to her entry in the water the night she
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moving your money. has anything leaked out yet? >> the invite said come and see what we're building. it hit a six-month high, so what might they reveal? if it was a phone, the thought it there will be some sort of partner company involved. also if it was a phone announcement, you would think they would invite camera crews, which they are not, but it might be a new operating system, and also so much of facebook's emerging markets, it could be designed to work better on the lower-end phones as well. it might also something be search-related. there are all kinds of possibilities. we'll just have to wait and see. coca-cola has new ads action
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>> michael grimm joins me, whose district includes staten island and brooklyn, two areas hit hard by sandy. good morning, congressman. >> good morning. >> i saw your tweet last night, so i wonder what your reaction is by some conservatives who are concerned. >> well, don't get me wrong, i fully understand their concern overall, the general argument that we are spending money we don't have, and therefore we have to start offsetting expenditures. i wholeheartedly agree with one exception, and there's probably more than one exception, but this is certainly an exception. this is a devastating natural disaster. we cannot getting into gridlock about offsets when we haven't been able to overcome the obstacles for the last two years.
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so i think this is an exception. i don't think that arm is -- >> there might be as many as 15 amendments to reach the house floor. or make the package unacceptable. i'm sure you've been watching the has of congress. >> i'm pretty confident we worked through the night, myself, peter king, we have collectively literally worked these has nonstop. we went through every single amendment. i think it's down to 12 amendments, not all of them are necessarily bad or will hurt the package, but there are a few we need to defeat, but i feel pretty confident we will be able to defeat them and pass overall, including the flood insurance part that's already passed a $60 billion package for new york and
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new jersey that is absolutely needed. it is not inflated, it is not for the future, it is what's needed to get these cities and states back on their feed. >> >> i should say in the last vote 32 of the 100 senators, and 67 of 435 members of congress voted no, but what was interesting is that every one of those no votes came from representatives of states that have recently received or even now are getting federal disaster aid. is there some hypocrisy at work here? >> i would say there is, absolutely. new york, for example, is always known as a donor state. we sent more money than we receive back. we have always stepped up every time there's been a disaster. new york has never hesitated. i think it's a misguided argument. there's no question that we have a tremendous spending problem.
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we have to get our fiscal house in order, but to pick that fight during a natural disaster is not smart politics. i think it's very misguided and sends the wrong message. i think it was -- i thought it was joe crowley that was speaking before, and he said democrats understanded need of individuals and people. well, i stand with joe crowley on that. a lot of my republican colleagues stand with that. these are american people, families that are hurting, and today they're going to get that help. we're going to do whatever we have to do to pass this bill. >> it's very common, you have a disaster and people respond, but then they move on. it's been 11 weeks, and residents were this weekend on staten island protesting. just take a quick listen. >> here we stand, victims of sandy, 57 days later, still waiting. we are suffering, families are
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homeless, people are without jobs and struggling. >> where is the red tape being cut? i sure haven't seen it, my neighbors haven't seen it, my friends haven't seen it. we are still fighting. >> aid capes to victims of hurricane katrina in ten days. what do you tell your constituents who have had it? >> i was out there with them. i have done everything humanly possible, literally worked around the clock to try to do everything i can. i think it's a travesty that it's taken this long so, listen, the best we have been able to do, i think it's a travelty, but we're here today and are going to move forward.
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the fitch rating agency raised a new warning, that a failure to raise the debt ceiling could lead to a downgrade. that could deal a major blow to the economy, maybe even send us into recession. >> we might not be able to pay our troops or pay the contractors, specialists who
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track down loose nuclear materials wouldn't get their paychecks. >> richard lui is here with the drill down. >> chris, assen december p 1st, the united states could not borrow any more money. it could pay its bills because of certainly accounting work-arounds, but those could stop working in 30 days, says the bipartisan mold center. at that point there's only enough incoming cash to pay 60% of its bills. therefore because of this proportion over here, some tough questions emerge. if social security recipients and veterans are paid, the department of education may not or troops could be left empty-handed. these scenarios scare credit agencies, as you were just mentioning, that determine how much of it costs to borrow money.
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at risk, the reputation of being the safist investment haven in the world, not to mention the year-long rally in the market. conservatives say the solution is to pay those who most affect our credit rating first. well, the answer to this is unclear for now, but on a practical level, it looks almost impossible, treasury computers simply pay bills as they become due. having to reprogram 100 million monthly payments would be a gigantic undertaking. to avoid this, the bipartisan policy center says here, chris, that the debt limit needs to be raised by $2 trillion over the next two years.
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>> 100 million -- >> per month. that wraps up this hour of "jansing & company." thomas roberts is up next. good morning. the agenda next hour, will president obama trump congress with executive action on gun control. 19 executive orders should be on the way. voices are already talking impeachment if the president goes that route. we'll talk a look at history. and he is a tea party freshman congressman who has promised to make life miserable for speaker john boehner. he's going to join me. and the miss america contestant makes a drastic decision to undergo a double mastectomy. she has a clean bill of health, but fears breast cancer is in her future. [ male announcer ] ok, here's the way the system works.
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